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i just got out of BG, im holy, pled sond in kills, first in heals. and when my mana runs out, pot it up, good to go. i died twe the entire time….people will eventually figure out that the onlyool part about shadow is the greenpurple stinkloud surrounding them….seems fitting ^-^

Abzalom wrote:
That’s was pre-T too, you should have no problems with thoserits now And in PvP, yes, Holy is always going to be better than shadow, bause healers and burst damage are both more important. Greens are your problem Get some ne blues and then you’ll stand ahae >.

Thanks guys for the input. I willhk out the AH and see what goodies Ian find. I’ll let you know whatomes of it. Thanks again for the input!
Abzalom… AH and OL greens? And you wonder why you have problems… Questing and Instaes.. that’s the way to go. I got +600 damage from quest items only. And that is by favouring some stats more than +damage. As holy, farming elementals in nagrand (2 Primal fire every 4 days?’mon ) with spirit tap ian go about 5-6 mobs before i have to drink. As shadow, well.. no drinking in 30 mins of full farming. Holy DPS is indeed less wanted in instaes (i’d say never, but i did this 2 times.) That’s bause it’s more effient to take a holy priest to heal. But if you areonfident on yourapabilities, do try to get groups that cept you. There was a mage that asked me if i were shadow, as they had a healer already (resto shammy). I told him i’ll do dps as holy, and it took 5 mins toonvie him to try. Well.. needless to say, no one died, i didn’t really ran OOM, and i used IF+PoH pretty often, to help the shammy. I was behind the hunter and mage in dpshart, with about 50% less (whh is pretty mh) but i waslose to the shammy in healinghart. So i’d say it all went well. The most important thing is to know when you should stop your dps and heal. Main advantage over SP, is that we don’t have to drop shadow form. And we have the talents that improve healing so wean heal big and dps ceptable. Ian throw a heal whenever i want. And with holyrithae ireased, the heal willrit often. It’s even suffient tohange weapons in fight and you get +200 healing at least.

Yup, 1 Str=2 AP. Your Stat priority as a soloer should probably be StrAP, AgiCrit, Stam, +Hit, Int. Agi givesrit and also dodge and the gain isn’t massively different, so if 1 pie has 20 agi and another has 20rit rating I’d probably take the agi personally. You’ll need to weigh it up for yourself and your playstyle though. If you dide to start instae running or raiding your stat priority will bome StrAP, +Hit, Stam, AgiCrit, Int, Mp5.
At 70 – Not sure if still valid earlier but I don’t see why not. Itemization – Stat Weights Extensive modeling, simulation, and empiral testing by Disquette (), Pater (), and Tornhoof () have proded a generally agreed-upon set of numbers for determining the items whh prode the highest DPS in a raid environment. The average of the most reliablelosed-form model and iterative simulations have proded the following set of attk power equivaley valuations (AEP), for use in manualaulations or programs sh as Lootzor or Pawn: Strength = 2 (2.2 wKings)rit Rating = 2 Agility = 1.8 (2 wKings) Hit Rating = 1.4 Attk Power = 1 Itemization

On my Resto Shammy, I have a good bit of Ele gear urrently logged out with it on I believe) and with 2x LB and 1x Flame Shk usually gets them to 50% health, 25% if I get allrits. Then you just Searing TotemAuto Attk them to death, throwing in a shk here and there, seems to work fine for me! Then again, Im having to drink every 5-6th mob! Oh, and instead of Mana Shield (whh I have noted the mana it gives you bk is pretty negligable), Iast Earth Shield on myself so I don’t have to worry about healing when the 10 ton mob is beating down on me.
Ian’t read what this guy is saying. No matter how hard i try my eyes just start to fl after reading a few words.
Putuation is your friend. With that said, if you are elemental or enhae sp there is a great BOP set for eh through dragonale leatherworking (Netherstrike and Ebon Netherale). Resto, it’s not as essential, as itemization through instae gear is pretty good I think, and there is no BOP resto set youan make.

Timelordwho wrote:But the point is, you’ll never have more than 1 51 point talent even if theap was 100. Youan get a FG+UA, but not 2 51-pointers. Regarding level 100 – you’d get 91 talent points. You wouldn’t be able to get two 51-point talents. Is that what was meant by your statement? You’d need 102 talent points to get two high-end talents.

here, wotlk.wikidotomspells-tal…professions go drool, my personal favorite is atrity and demon forms shadowbolt volley. this site also has the rest of thehanges from the Alpha stage. few ne vids there aswell
Atrity was rently repled byrple in the latest update to thelient as the 51 point affltion talent, just fyi. >=D Link to this Jun 8th 2008 12:40pm : Logged Reply to this redbarronthesond529 Dent
yeh i saw that, and im not a fan ofrple. The only thing i do like about it, is that it is spammable. by pify does that mean thyeannot attk? like when you get dusted by the teromoths in terrokar
I JUST fudged myself. Good work, I hope these are real. Demon Form looks amazing. Link to this Jun 8th 2008 3:19pm : Logged Reply to this redbarronthesond529 Dent
yes they are all real, they are from the WOTLK alpha
Crple means your targetan’t attk, yes, that’s the same as the Teromoth’s Pify ability. Theyan’t heal either, at presentrple also silees the enemy. Expt that tohange, they will want healers to be able to heal through your damage. I’m glad they got rid of Atrity, Ian’t think of a single benefit for that spell. It saves you Ds but you risk dotting mobs that will later beC’d in 5mans, it’s really only good for annoying dispellers in Arena.

Overall Ian’t say I’m as hyped up about this new stuff as some of the others I’ve heard from. Maybe that’s just the mages though, heh. Shadowflame and haunt are fairly impressive. It would definately be ne to have some damage options other than dots that don’t get spell pushbkedsileed. Ian live with the fel armor nerf. At least the new demon armor will fend off the assist trains in arenas if only for two sonds. The talents on the other hand …k. Attrity is extremely situational, easily repled by dot-tab-dot in my opinion. Metamorphasis and dimate look powerful on the surfe but theooldowns make me wary. I was really hoping to see some abilities that appeal to the war ofounters and mobility like what frost mages and shadow priests got. My overall assesment of the sps, Affltion: Better off I suppose, better survivability with 11 points in demo at least, still low damage though. Demonology:ompletely buhered. Frankly lks a purpose now. I don’t see going past 17 points in it. Why is blizzard adding imp and scubus talents in the 8th and 9th tier where the felguard is? It was bad enough that we put 20+ points in buffing our pet just to kill it off with demon srife, now 50+? Destrtion: With improved shadowbolt nerfed and the new talents requiring us to mix it up with fire and shadow spells (demon srife is one element or the other) I don’t see destro damage looking any better than it does now. As a PvP’er I would probably run with something like 431711. A full dot rotation plus shadowflame, haunt and shadowburn just might be enough damage to pressure healers inonjution with warriorrogue ms effts. Link to this May 28th 2008 8:05pm : Logged Reply to this TimelordwhoSage4915 Dent

I have no idea where I got 15% from, for some reason I thought Soul Link was only 15%, guess I underestimated it. Sorry for the mis-information.
My warlk has rehed the point where heanhoose between tailoring sps. Iannothoose between Shadoweave and Spellfire. Inombat my only shadow spell I really use is Shadowbolt, main spells would be Immolate,onflagulate, and other fire spells. Should I go Spellfire for the rit and +fire damage or do I go for Shadoweave? Only reason I would go Shadoweave is for the Stamina Spellfire lks. I have seenountless warlkshoose Shadoweave, is it wrong to think Spellfire would be best?
ofourse its not. on my lk when i finally ding 70 i am getting the spellfire set, wow 2% healing or more damage whh is more benifial. if you need healing run with a shadow priest and let them worry about that.
Well theres a million threads on how shadow >>>> fire, and I fully believe it, but some people refuse to listen and are set on fire for whatever reason. If I was full destro I’d still use shadow, but not sure if I’d bother with either set for that purpose (norit on FSW). But you still get a ridulous amount of +shadow damage, so by juggle lots of solid rit gear through your other stuff, youould still make a really dent shadow destro lk with it. Spellfire you’re lked into fire destro forever, theres no flexibility. If for whatever reason you ignore all the fts about shadow > fire, you LOVE fire AND you will never resp affltion or demo, go spellfire, but thats the only way I’d suggest it. Every other lk uses FSW for a very good reason… Link to this Sep 16th 2007 8:50pm : Logged Reply to this DarydeIntensityholar206 Dent

Stuff like Mobhealth isn’t perft, or anywhere near it, it simply works on what peentage you rede a foe’s HP by with X damage. For example, if you try it out on Harbinger Skyriss, hislones skew it wildly.
It seems to be happening a lot with lks, probably bause of theironstantly getting small amounts of life bk.
Thanks for the response. That makes sense.
Also, If he was Demo, 15% of the damage is shared by his pet. Sie all the damage his pet takes is rorded as damage taken by him to the addons, take 15% off of that 22k and he’s at 18.7k. Probably wasn’t adding in the life he reive from Shon Life if he had it, or Drain Life, and thatan count for a lot more health.

ya, was gonna say… where’d you get that 15% from? o.0
Right, and 20% of the 22k stks him right around the 17k mark. If you take a look at Alea on Thondrius, (s)he rks around 12.5k HP, unbuffed, as affltion. Add in PW:F, BoK, and the lk talents… you’ve got yourself one tough littlelothie. In other news, I was doing EotS this weekend also (who wasn’t) and ran into a warriorpallyombo. They were in full meiless, but me and my friends in our organized group didn’t note until we tried to rush them with 4 of us. We got manhandled. The 2nd time I feared the pally,oT’d him, Spell lked, feared, then Deathoiled and we STILL barely got the warrior down (pally bubbled and was like 12 way through flash of light). People in full PvP gear are just sk.
in the end, remember that mods to tell people’s HPs are usually off unless youan dot them to death (one of the only ways to get curate data), the guy probably had like 12-14k hp iluding PW:F from the priest